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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 17, 2006 5:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Trust fund poser hippies

UncleJohnnyD brought up a rather interesting point about rather talking about "trust fund poser hippies". I would like to hear more comments on this.

Unclejohnny, maybe we won't hear many comments if there are a lot on this forum?

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 18, 2006 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

And another thing; I will be the first to admit that not all of the cash that I used to see shows was the result of personal hard labor, but nonetheless when I went to shows I went for the music and to meet a wide range of folks from all over the country who didn't judge others just because of what they wore or how they paid for something. As I remember it, most folks just cared how we treated one another; if you were cool to someone, they were cool to you. Yes, I had short hair and showered on a regular basis and my jeans were not in a constant state of disentegration, but I met more nice and open people of all kinds at shows. THAT is what I miss most about going to shows.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Yeah but that's just it. My observation is many of the people I mention absolutely judged others for how they looked or talked. Meanwhile they were more interested in selling bad drugs and veggie burritos and dropping soap opera type rumors to impress people with their knowledge of the band memebers personal lives than they were about the music. Hey I'm not trying to be a downer, still the best funnest most entertaining group of folks all assembled in one place.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

"My observation is many of the people I mention absolutely judged others for how they looked or talked"

isn't that exactly what your doing?

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

No not exactly. Certain stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. Based on observation and experience. Look, it's a free country. If people don't want to bathe that's their pergogative. If people want to make a life out of panhandleing that's their perogative as well as long as their not violating or vandalizing ( peeing in alleys )property. They just better not expect me to give them any of my hard earned dollars when I see them walk up to an ATM five seconds after asking someone to help them or their dog.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

glass houses...

according to that logic - everyone with a brush cut and a fresh tye-dye tucked into there belt was a narc? then surely, the fella down the street with a kazcat cap must be terrorist.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Ok, sorry if what I said offends you. You can have your opinion just like I can have mine.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

no need to apologize. i was just returning serve.

ian





This post was modified by mcglone on 2006-09-18 17:13:30

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Right on! Peace

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

i tend to agree with uncle a bit on this issue. i was working full time (bank) and going to school so i couldn't have "long hair" or look like a stereotypical deadhead. Unfortunatly, because of that, many "hippie heads" wouldn't give me the time of day (certainly not all, but many).
it was funny that when i was going to shows in 83-85, and i did look a bit like "them" - i was cool. 87 and beyond when i didn't look like them, i was looked at like a "touch head" and wouldn't be given the time of day. i was just as much into the music as they were, but i was constantly reminded of Peter Gabriels great tune "Not One of Us." It was kinda sad in a way - but i suppose it is human nature - certainly not just with the "hippie" crowd.
Some of the only times I was looked at as "cool" was when i had an extra ticket and "made someone's miracle." funny how that is.....

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 19, 2006 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Some people's hot
Some people's cold
Some people's not very
Swift to behold
Some people do it
Some see right through it
Some wear pojamas
If only they knew it

The pojamas people are boring me to pieces
They make me feel like I am wasting my time
They all got flannel up 'n down 'em
A little trap-door back aroun' 'em
An' some cozy little *footies* on their mind

Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
Lawd, they make you sleepy
With the things they might say
Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
*Mother, Mary 'n Jozuf*, wish they'd all go away!

Po-jama people!
It's a po-jama people special...
Take one home with you & save a dollar today
Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
Wrap 'em up
Roll 'em out
Get 'em out of my way

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Poster: Black Cough Date: Sep 19, 2006 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help needed for a neophyte on feat burn

i have been trying to burn the feat 73 sonic.got it downloaded on wimamp and can not for the life of me get it burned..the burner hangs up on the 1st cut and it reads 0% for 10 to 30 minutes...any suggestions???thanx

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Poster: Black Cough Date: Sep 19, 2006 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help needed for a neophyte on feat burn

i have been trying to burn the feat 73 sonic.got it downloaded on wimamp and can not for the life of me get it burned..the burner hangs up on the 1st cut and it reads 0% for 10 to 30 minutes...any suggestions???thanx

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 19, 2006 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help needed for a neophyte on feat burn

try the free Musicmatch Jukebox burner or The Nero 6 Express
try the free Musicmatch Jukebox burner or The Nero 6 Express

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Poster: Black Cough Date: Sep 20, 2006 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help needed for a neophyte on feat burn

i tried both jukeboxes(yahoo sux) and the xpress 6 wudnt download for free.. & they didnt work..the problem im having w winamp is that the feat/cowboy junkies r reading preparing 0% while some other stuff i downloaded burned w no problem....i found winamp the easier to use & that windows wont open or play....so am i totally inept or what? please offer some hints..its frustrating trying to get that feat sonic 73 while the other feat burned easily..the junkies is long download time & wont burn..i have done the dead aud & those worked fine so far..thanx for ur time cosmicharlie

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

dire,

short hair, long hair, either way i'm grateful!

just got back from the post office. one large white envelope, seven jewel cases, three blue, four pink! jessica is spending one final night in algonquin, i'm stocked with zooms, beer and bud! thanks a tonne for the tunes dire!

let me know when the JGB finds you.

btw - i still owe matt austin 7-8-1978 (set 2) sorry about the delay there...

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

You are very welcome Ian - glad they arrived in one piece - guess my sister did good mailing those out :)

Enjoy and let me know if there are any problems with them. Lookin forward to the JGB (hopefully you included your disc also - but i still got the mp3s you emailed in case you couldn't get yours on disc in time).

ps - i have a few people who would like copies of your stuff - is it ok for me to share your music with them??

Peace man

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-09-18 17:48:14

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Poster: mcglone Date: Sep 18, 2006 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

i did indeed include a copy of our stuff. by all means, share away!

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 18, 2006 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

thanks man! - just wanted permission first. there are more than a few friends/family who are pretty damn impressed.

lookin forward to the package :)

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Poster: matt austin Date: Sep 19, 2006 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Hey, thanks for the shout-out. No worries. Looking forward to it, though. Trustheads that I knew were pretty cool overall - more than once I got a good night sleep and a shower at a hotel thanks to a friend that had 'won the social lottery'. Also several that bought my whole inventory of this or that just to get me to the next show. Trustifarians, thought were a different story. More times than not they were the ones that would look down there noses at you if you weren't a 'kind soul and fill my bowl'. Know what I mean?

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 19, 2006 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

I know EXACTLY what you mean, these are the people I was talking about from the start. Trustafarians! That's good. HIt's the nail on the head exactly.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

What I meant to say was that regardless of how someone looked or talked AND as long as they treated others with respect they should not be judged. I am voicing disagreement with those who took a self-centered approach to shows. Hope this clarifys things.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

I agree with you whole heartedly, I in no way was attemping to disagree with your post. Yes, I was often annoyed when seated in the proximity of the "Look at me, I'm a deadhead and I know more than you, have more tapes, can quote more lyrics, smoke more dope, take more doses and sell more watered down substances than you; therefore I am a better head than you" pseudo-mock-quasi-cretin heads. These folks, although I attempted to be tolerant at all times, at times would make it difficult to enjoy a good show. As I grow older and I hope wiser, my wish is that these folks are doing the same and might now be fun to see a show with. Hope springs eternal.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

oh yeah! That's another group too! "I have the best tapes and I'm not going to share because I'm more worthy and cool! "I know that type too. That's one of the neatest things to come out of the wake of the end of the Dead. A MASSIVE HQ digital catalog became available and people by and large are so damn cool and generous.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 18, 2006 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Well said.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 18, 2006 7:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

I believe Keller Williams best summed up another band of Heads that were less than loved (some may have included the Poser Head you refer to) in his song "Gate Crashers Suck". I think the line he used is "Jealous, party crashing, buzz thrashing, stanky ass bastards" when refering to the group of A-holes who busted into Deer Creek causing the next night to be cancelled. This same thing happened in Richmond in '85. These bozos nearly trampled me in their attempt at being "hippies". "Oh, we must do anything to see the Dead and enjoy the peace and love within the arena, even if we have to stomp a few people to do it." Love them folks. One of the few things I DON'T miss about going to shows.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 18, 2006 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Yeah they must do anything except get a job and actually buy their own ticket huh?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 18, 2006 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

I think the whole 'miracle ticket" thing started the revolution. When it happens for the first time it's the best thing in the world for these people and some thought they would never have to buy another ticket again. Town to town ticketless hoping for a freebee. 2 examples that really pissed me off.

Trying to sell a ticket outside the LA forum for 40 bucks. face was 35. the other 5 was to cover the ticketmaster bullshit. i was called a scalper.

also, at shoreline I drove from LA and sat in the lot with my beers and did a little work that had to be completed by Monday. 3 times i was called a narc. Why? because I have a job?

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 17, 2006 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

LOL! This is the kind of thing that could piss someone off huh?

Most people I know and knew that were serious in their love of the music and the experience and were fanatical about collecting and analyzing, didn't look anything like the stereotype of the deadhead. No dreadlocks, most had SHORT hair, most ate MEAT, most bathed, etc. etc. You know kind of like the band themselves. I mean no one in the band looked liked a tourhead/lot rat. Now I don't care about people's personal choices, what I didn't like was this " deader than thou" attitude that so many tour heads had. It became a fashion heirachy thing to alot of these people and I seriously didn't like the attitudes. Especially when alot of these people were clearly there for the scene and really didn't seem to know a whole hell of alot about the music imo. Same with this everything should be free mentality. These are the types of people that think everything should be free when it pertains to them being on the receiving end, not the other way around.

The trust fund hippy thing I mentioned was totally, and still is I'm sure, totally true. I worked at the Tower Records in Berkeley CA. 89-91. I remember these grungy homeless looking stereotypical deadheads walking in to buy tickets. They'd walk in with no shoes, feet all nasty and dirty. I remember thinking - this is BERKELEY you idiots! Do you know how many nasty foul people are walking around pissing in alleys or on themselves when they don't makes it and your walking around with no shoes like you think this is Woodstock. Then they'd bust out a credit card, often their PARENTS credit cards to buy tickets. Then they'd go back to panhandling. Give me a break! I was making $6 an hour but still doing everthing I could to make it to every Bay Area Dead show ( including Cal Expo and Shoreline ) I could.

I don't know where I'm going with this exactly except I guess the whole " deader than thou" attitude some people have. I allways thought it funny how many people claim to know a person who knows a person or happens to know all this personal stuff about the band members and I certainly don't understand people denying Bob's place in the band when he was there doing it from the beginning acheiving way more personal success then most ( if not all )anyone criticizing him will ever acheive.

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Poster: glenn Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Everyone has a different idea of what a core deadhead is. Mine is that the real hardcore deadheads were working security or as ushers for BGP, Family Dog, Fillmore Entertainment, Shoreline, the Hog Farm Pig-Nic and like that, anything to get to more shows.

Or the ones who'd spend every extra cent they could scrounge on better microphones and taper tickets.

I know who you're talkin' about though, there really were a lot of folk doin' the scene on their parent's money, and still scrounging around the lot for miracle tickets and free joints.

That's one of the cool things about deadheads, we're all different and we still pretty much love each other.

Come on, you wouldn't be talking about 'poser hippies' if you dindn't love em just a little bit...

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 17, 2006 9:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trust fund poser hippies

Nah, I don't really love them. I don't hate them either but I can't say I love them. There's allways someone that rubs a person the wrong way but the Dead audience was the best of them all. I'm glad I missed the last years though, sounds like there were some real jerks with the gate crashing and all.